Database entry - I've given up!

[Malcolm Clarke]

Try as hard as I may, the database refuses to give me a fresh entry for a new image ....

Breguet 1150 Atlantic 61-04

.... stubbornly listing all the Atlantics, tail codes or serials in the db and thus not allowing a new entry.

I have already uploaded the image.

Any suggestions please?

Malcolm.

[Doug Robertson]

Are you attempting to upload an aircraft photo using the country of aircraft registry number or letters, as the case may be? That is what this site recognizes for (civil) Search Aircraft or photo uploading. Your query appears to show neither; for a military aircraft of your example: Breguet is the manufacturer, 1150 Atlantic is the model name. Put the military registration number first (61-04) if it has no post-military civil registration. I assume 61-04 is the full military number? The first of four prototypes flew on 21 October 1961, so it appears your aircraft example is the fourth prototype built.

I now see that you have uploaded 6104 WITHOUT the dash, a photo of an engine. Try editing to add the dash, that may solve your problem, as the site won't group multiple photos of 61-04 unless all are entered the same. And why don't you identify the military aircraft model in your photos? Just military registrations can be confusing to the viewer. I have asked this before of photographers in this Forum. Use the description to describe the aircraf by maker and model. That's logical..
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[L-5jockey]

Looks as if we have two seperate entries, for the same aircraft:

61-04
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/61-04.html

and 61 04
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/61-04.html


There seems to be no consistency with users entering military serials, on the site; especially with ID's of German and French military aircraft.

German aircraft 61-04 and 61 04 and 6104 ?? or 61+04 (which the system will not accept)

With French military aircraft, the msn or c/n is also their MIL serial.

Some users enter the French Sqdn codes (large side/nose markings, when searching on site.)
This can get ulgy, and adds to the difficulty working with or searching for mil aircraft on Airport-Data

ref this, older thread, as an example of issues;

http://www.airport-data.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4276&highlight=#4276

I don't know what the answer is to solving, any suggestions?
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[Malcolm Clarke]

John.
Thanks for that. I have edited the tail code to 61-04 and assume that all is now OK with this one.

Doug.
I sense some irritation but i have only very recently started uploading and am still finding my way.
As stated above I have edited as you suggest and this seems to have done the trick.
You ask why I do not identify the military aircraft in my photos!
I had assumed that if a particular tail code is already in the database, it will already be identified to those viewing the image along with the others, so why should I repeat this info in the "short description " field?
If it is a new tailcode, I respond to the invitation to provide such detail as I am aware of in the seperate form provided. In which case surely this new info will appear with the new tail code image.
Clearly I am missing something, and am only too willing to follow any defined upload procedure as the last thing I wish happen is for my images to be displayed without the requisite data.

Malcolm.

[Doug Robertson]

Malcolm,

I am gratified that your adding the suggested dash solved your problem.

As to a make/model description-the A-D site manager and administrator does ask for a description and for very good reason, apparently not apparent to all new members. Many site visitors will click on a random aircraft photo of interest shown in pairs on A-D's Home Page. A new pair comes up each time the Home Page is newly accessed. I'll bet that more viewers will click on and continue to view described aircraft photos than just ones with only a serial or military number, or slash mark which is not a description of the aircraft. Descriptions add value to your photo, and also tell the viewer you know what you have photographed. (We do get requests in this Forum to identify an aircraft in a photo).

Identifying your aircraft photo as to make and model allows others to further pursue their interest. Most viewers are not familiar with military serial numbers or marking schemes, which you must admit are NOT uniform across countries, or perhaps even across different military services within a country. It never hurts to be a team player here. A-D is a world aircraft and airport photo site, not a specious collection of numbers. A further issue is garbage in-garbage out-our USA FAA will publish the aircraft description a new owner supplies, which can be either wrong or incomplete. So, errors are promulgated and that is one reason the site allows data to be corrected by a knowledgeable viewer.

And, I am certainly not irritated with you-just trying to be helpful, as I apparently was in solving a problem you gave up on-to use your own terminology.
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[Malcolm Clarke]

Hello Doug,

Onve again thanks for your help which I can assure you is greatly appreciated.
I understand and since I wish only to share my images with others (regardless of 'hit' numbers) it is clearly in my interests to follow your good advice.

When you have a moment, please have a look at my recent uploads to make sure that I am now toeing the line as it were!

Regards,

Malcolm.

[Doug Robertson]

Malcolm,

Your captions are noteworthy and your fine photos add to the collection here. You have a rare Brantly B-2B fuel-injection engine series photo-American made helicopter but never seen by me in flight or on the ground. Congratulations!
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[Malcolm Clarke]

Thanks Doug.
I genuinely wish to share my images and I do have a few gems to offer.
Definitely a labo(u)r of love but nonetheless worthwhile!
Thanks for your help.

Malcolm.