Unknown Category

Ztex · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: Unknown Category

Ken,

It seems that the Unknown listing has got a bit weird....

http://www.airport-data.com/search/search2.html?field=tail&code=Unknown&search=Search

I don't know a real solution for this type of entry...
any ideas from the regulars?

Zane

Connor Shepard · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:57 pm Post subject:

It appears that people are creating extra airframes in order to fill in known information about an aircraft. I would keep the "Various Various C/N Various" entry and delete the rest. The known information can then be described in the photo's caption.

Connor

Doug Robertson · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject:

Suggest the grouped formation flight photos uploaded under UNKNOWN be moved to the Airport category over which they were photographed. Some UNKNOWN photos have 8-10 or so aircraft in each photo so registration numbers lack should not be the driver here. If all of one aircraft type-so state and upload them against the airport or airfield overflown. That would be a logical solution.

Ztex · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject:

Like Doug says, I put the unknown formation stuff under airports with my own subcategory of "Airshows"

Connor Shepard · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject:

Chris Hall · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject:

just had a quick look through the "UNKNOWN" pages and several are very easy to ID with very little searching

the Qatar C-17 is A7-MAB, the only one in full Qatar colours

Lockheed Neptune SP-2H at the RAF Museum, Cosford is 204
MIG-21PF at the RAF Museum, Cosford is G-BRAM
de Havilland Comet 1A at the RAF Museum, Cosford is G-APAS

I agree with Doug that the photo's with several aircraft in them should be moved to the Airport category, anything I upload without an ID I always add to the Airport category, then amend it if and when I find an ID

Peter Nicholson · Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:29 am Post subject: Unknown profiles

To follow-on from Chris Hall, four more identifiable photographs for which profiles already exist are:
AC438596 is Typhoon FGR.4 ZJ918
AC438595 is Lynx HAS3 ZD251
AC343129 is AB-212 5D-HB
AC343131 is Typhoon S 7L-WF

Ken, can these be linked with these profiles and thus remove them from the Unknown category?

Peter

Glenn E. Chatfield · Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject:

I also found several easily identifiable planes this morning, including some on the USS Intrepid Museum. I just emailed the photographers and I hope they will change them (one already e-mailed me with thanks!)

Helicopterfriend · Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject:

Glenn E. Chatfield: "I also found several easily identifiable planes this morning, including some on the USS Intrepid Museum. I just emailed the photographers and I hope they will change them (one already e-mailed me with thanks!)"

It was so easy to find after you gave me directions, Thanks Glenn

Malcolm Clarke · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:36 am Post subject:

I’m pleased that Zane has raised this subject as these images are in some ways lost in the database. I’m uncertain whether my ‘unknown’ entries have gone down the correct path. Almost always one can identify the manufacturer and basic type, which I have done, only entering ‘unknown’ against the reg and cn. The entry then has its own place in the database rather than being lost among the ‘unknown/unknown’. One benefit of this is that there may be a greater likelihood of someone adding to the identity at a later date.
I wonder whether others agree that this is the right course to take.

However I have only had limited success in that four entries are disassociated form the respective images, i.e. the images are definitely in the database but don’t appear with the database entry. Four examples are the Stratojet, Ferranti Phoenix, Pou de Ciel and the Goblin engine. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how this may be rectified?

Rather than raise a further forum thread, may I ask for some clarification of ways to request database corrections.
On a number of occasions I have used the Submit data or post comment of this aircraft for such, but this seems only to result in a record of the comments in the database entry rather than effecting the suggested changes. A case in point is tail code 51 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21Bis C/N 75081637 where I pointed out that 11 of the 12 images are incorrectly located.
How should I have addressed this? Should I have emailed all those involved – could be quite a task at times, sent a request to Ken or …..?

Malcolm.

Glenn E. Chatfield · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:41 am Post subject:

I've also submitted data that just becomes a comment on the bottom rather than the corrective action, which is why I switched to the forum.

Can you link me to your Stratojet photo? Maybe I can ID it - where was it photographed?

Malcolm Clarke · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:10 am Post subject:

Glenn.

can you try pasting this into your browser

http://newimages.fotopic.net/?iid=1f5zqf&noresize=1&nostamp=1&quality=70

otherwise it is in

http://malcolmclarkesaircraftgallery.fotopic.net

under 'Aviation photos from my collection.'

Thanks,

Malcolm.

Chris Hall · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject:

Glenn E. Chatfield · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject:

Hi Malcolm,

WOW. Better- sharper resolution would be helpful. That tail number is difficult, but it starts with a 2 and ends with an 8 or 9, 8 being my best eye-balling. in between it looks to be ones. So my guess, looking at all the available serials in the 1952 FY, would be 52-118, then the tail number would be 2118. What do you think?

Glenn

Malcolm Clarke · Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:18 am Post subject:

Hello Glenn.

Thanks for your kind interest. I’ve examined the original once more and am happy to accept your identification and will update accordingly.

Yes it is a rather poor image but I have mixed feelings about the improvement of such old film photos.
This, for example, I spent some time over but to have pushed it any further would likely to have resulted in a rather artificial appearance.
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/396552.html
The Stratojet is much less likely to reach such a level as it lacks detail, has an unfortunate pale band and is a little out of focus. But I will have another look at it.

It can be a labour of love though.
This one, which came from my old Canon EOS600 film camera, is the result of an hour of ‘Photoshopping’ and it isn’t far off DLSR quality but I wouldn’t normally devote such time to a single image.
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/434878.html

It’s heartwarming to see the interest in clearing up the ‘unknown, unknowns’ although it may mean some work for Ken. The database generally has many more errors and it is to be hoped that as many members as possible will endeavour to request corrections at every opportunity – oh, and perhaps work a bit harder on pre upload identification, me too of course!

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