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twotterdriver
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Location: Sacramento, CA
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: I got a 'Remove the pic of my plane or I'll sue' e-mail..... |
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Got an e-mail yesterday (see below) which kind of makes me laugh....Just not sure how to respond. Any suggestions?
I know it is not just an 'American' reaction to say 'I'll Sue You!' at the first indication of something one doesn't like or agree with...however....
A 'Please remove the picture for personal reasons' would have gone over a lot better, and I would be more inclined to comply, rather than spend the last hour on google looking up U.S. Law relating to photography.....
'verbal or written authorization is required, neither was sought or granted and your photo for sale or distribution is not authorized' - not needed if the picture was taken in public...
'face legal action for damages' - for a picture? The picture is not for sale (unlike another websie where you can buy copies), there is no monetary gain on my part, what kind of damages does he expect? Someone found out he was in Santa Monica? May have caught onto something here.....
'The information is neither been approved or reviewed by the owners' - this one confuses me because the e-mail was from the FAA registered owner......
'Remove all information of this aircraft or face legal action' - Anyone can get all the information on this aircraft from the governements FAA website. Plus I am not in the U.S., so good luck on that one....
For those interested, the picture was taken from a public park, beside the Santa Monica airport, so there were no 'tresspassing' issues.
Aircraft photo on http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/266594.html
This Aircraft is featured on a web site and the photo was taken without the owners authorization. you are to remove the photo at once or face legal action for damages. Prior to photo of any personal property or persons verbal or written authorization is required, neither was sought or granted and your photo for sale or distribution is not authorized. Remove all information of this aircraft or face legal action. The information is neither been approved or reviewed by the owners. |
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Bluedharma
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Location: Littleton, CO
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twotterdriver
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: I'll sue, I'll cry, I'll throw a hissy fit..... |
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'You can even go to Google Earth and see his house. Oh, I'm sorry, his apartment...' LOL
My main concern is to make sure airport-data doesn't get drawn into any 'legasl issues'. I really enjoy the site, don't want anyone to affect it negatively.
The main issue, for me, is the 'rudeness' of the threat. 'I'll sue you if you don't remove my picture'. A simple Please and Thank You would have been sufficent for me to remove it. Now, out of stubborness, I don't really feel like helping him out at all.
Its a plain-jane Cessna 182, one of 27,000 built over the years, so I am not sure what his concern is. If someone didn't want people to know where or when he was in Santa Monica, I guess having photo evidence available on the net is a bad thing!
Thanks for all the replys. I think I will leave it up for a while, just to see how it goes. |
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Airport-Data Site Admin
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 11:26 am Post subject: |
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As the email mentioned to take out the aircraft information, I will put my two cents.
Over the time I have received a few requests to remove aircraft information. Some as nicely and even give a reason, only a few are rude and threatened legal action. For all of them I reply an email, pointed out politely that his/her aircraft information along with name and address is listed under FAA and publicly available to all over the world. This usually put an end to the talk, only very few still insist, and only one of them still be rude. So, I hard code the program to not to show these registry, as for the rude one, I choose to redirect all request for his aircraft to FAA's page (which, as many of you know, show more info than we do). Wondering if he will start a lawsuit against FAA.
So, if the guy mentioned to this thread still threaten legal action, I guess it's best to do the same redirecting thing. I have rights to redirect my own incoming traffic right?
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Sir Paul L Lee KBE
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Legally, this "complainant" has no grounds whatsoever. There is no court in europe or the us who would hear, never mind uphold, this complaint. You are absolutely within your rights to leave the photo where it is. However, at least one of the contributors to this string has expressed concern about the possibility of involving the site in a legal wrangle. My advice , therefor, would be to email the complainant, requesting his/her grounds for the objection and also proof of their identity and title to the aircraft in question. I would then go on to state that, if I were satisfied that the complainant had a valid reason for wanting the photo removed, I would be prepared to consider such a course of action. Then I would embarrass the individual by informing him/her that a simple "please" and "thank you" have the astounding effect of lubricating the execution of such decisions.
Of course it's entirely up to you what you do because you are 100% within the law, but the forgoing would be my advised course of action. It's not as if it were a photo of some very rare aircraft is it. Anyway I will be watching this space, so please keep us all posted about any developements.
Cheers
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Doug Robertson
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:16 am Post subject: |
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I am the photographer of the aircraft several years ago whose owner threatened to sue the airport-data.com site manager, that Ken subsequently redirected the aircraft's N number hit on A-D straight to the FAA N number registration home page, showing full ownership details. Poetic justice!
A visiting pilot on a First Sunday Open House and Fly-In, he accosted me on the flight line, asking if I was Doug Robertson. As he didn't look like he was about to punch out an old man, I confirmed his request, rather than answering "Not necessarily!" Interestingly enough, he had absolutely no dispute with me the photographer, but wanted to sue the site! He stated he had retained "my lawyer" who told him he "had a good case". Pretty good description of lawyer ethics.
He has subsequently flown in many times and I have had no further conversations with him, but warn other photographers about his aircraft, an ordinary straight tail four seat popular model. _________________ PP ASEL
Link to my photos- http://airport-data.com/photographers/Doug+Robertson:84/ |
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AirportBum Scott
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:48 am Post subject: Been there, done that. Had something equally ignorant happen |
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I'm probably late on the response and I did not read all the post, but it sounds too like he wants "all info removed" as though you have something to do with the FAA related information regarding his aircraft. I think he fails to understand that the information on his aircraft is open record. Unless he request otherwise, his pilots license info is also public domain.
I ran into something similar to this where a picture was being used for financial gain, and they got it off of one of those "pay for picture" websites, but it was clearly not paid for. I asked for my picture credentials to be displayed more prominently, and they became belligerent. It was at that point that I contacted a lawyer and was given legal advice. I again repeated that I am not asking for compensation, but the credentials to be displayed and be done with it, or not to use the picture at all. To this they came at me with I was trespassing and lacked permission to take a picture of their plane (it was at a fly-in that was open to the public) They believed the guise that "it was there plane, coincidentally the airport owned the plane, he was the airport owner, and therefore, it's their image." I then threatened legal action (I actually didn't have a strong case, don't be fooled with the copyright laws and the copyrights per website, one is free and not binding, the other one requires a payment of $35 per picture to actually copyright, not to mention any red tape and wait time. A lot of people think that their image is safe under a webpage's terms of use; sadly it is NOT, however, it's rarely a huge issue.) and contacted the webmaster to get it removed and to find out the process of how they obtain their photos. The webmaster stated that they used the correct channels for obtaining the picture, which it was at that point that I said "oh really.." and provided them with the link, my data, and EXIF data, and I requested their insurance information for the Webmaster and the people using my image. Needless to say, that "legal talk" of asking them for their insurance information was enough to finally make things happen and the picture was off the webpage within seconds.
People think incorrectly that pictures of aircraft are private matters. I have been stopped at airports and told I have a "weird" hobby by cops and TSA. Others wrongly assume that taking pictures of airplanes violates some sort of TSA post 9/11 act. The general public is in a sense doing their part to be vigilante, but at the same time, most are incredibly naive and ignorant to what the laws actually state.
Not to give attention to the "other" website (to which I have not had a picture accepted since 2004 and consequentially have boycott) here is the picture that I speak of.
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=152888&nseq=0 |
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